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  Can we be honest?

  by seahart in

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  ok, seriously people, can anyone here say they honestly enjoy las vegas?

  what an utterly depressing place.

  my wife and i went there for a "wedding".

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  I have been to vegas 10 times in the last 10 years, I love it...
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  Red flags

  by beautifulisfree in

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  when i was an active witness i never understood why there were 'annointed' women that would be ruling right beside god and helping rule over the whole earth.

  but, they were not allowed or good enough to be 'elders' and just rule over a tiny little congregation.

  i know now this should have been a red flag for me...but, i just thought oh well this scripture says that men are to be the head of woman.

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  red flags...

  spirit lead, but not inspired

  no soul nor spirit nor anything surviving death, yet being asleep

  if you die today without knowing the JW spiel you will be raised to hear it in the 1000 year reich...er...reign

  but if you hear it and devout your life to preaching it you could still not be found worthy and die in arm and hammer.

  no independant thinking [=no thinking = blind obediance]

  3 elders telling me --- I would NEVER think to question the society [when asked how they would handle a situation when they found their belief at odds with the societies]
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  First encounter with a Scientologist

  by glitter in

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  i was on a mad-dash daytrip to edinburgh today, and in the morning we were up on the royal mile.

  being the fringe we quickly attracted about eight trees' worth of advertising.

  most of the people flyering were dressed in costumes or in t-shirts advertising the shows, but some were in ordinary clothes.

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  when I first lived here in florida, between 1986-89, I drove taxi in tampa bay and ferried not a few scientologists over to the HQ in clearwater.... all of the ones I met were extremely nice and conversational people... seekers being lead down the royal path to plunder... as JWs had done for me and many here.
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  The plain facts about ANY religion

  by sinis in

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  lately, i have even been questioning my beliefs in christ.

  lets face it the ransom just does not make sense.

  regardless of this, religion is soley a chronological and geographical entity.

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  knowing in advance that a handfull of people could be saved to kiss his almighty arse, the grand god of the universe decided that all the misery and suffering was worth it and called forth the universe from the void.
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  Discussion with friend

  by sinis in

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  so, my friend from texas was visiting this past week.

  he still goes to the kh and is a ms. so he wanted to know why i have not gone to meetings.

  i tell him that i am upset about the ngo thing (explained in detail).

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  there is a documentary called THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES which explains that governments attempt to control the masses by either promising them ideal fantasy worlds, which most don't fall for any more...or by scarring them into submission by use of nightmarish scenarios like world wide terror which could strike anyone anywhere at anytime.

  the leaders use this power to deny to the masses what they retain for themselves...the freedom to do as they desire.

  honest people are aware of their ignorance and their inability to decide what is best for them and their community which leaves them anxious, stressed and not a bit fearful... CONfident MEN appeal to them because they SEEM to know what they are doing and where they are headed... they allow the shepherds to lead them right into the slaughter.
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  Do we need to experience the bad to know the good??

  by lowden in

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  inspired by a few posts from the 'suffering' thread, i pose the above question.. is it really necessary to experience or even know of evil deeds in order to appreciate good, benevolence, peace.. certain peoples and indigenous tribes have lived in peace and probably still do with little, if any, disturbance and malevolence within their communities.

  they don't need evil to appreciate good, surely.. one current headline story over here in britain is of a 7yr old girl murdered, shot in the back by a drug dealer because she'd seen his face.

  he's just got 40yrs in jail.

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  we discover something attract us and make us want more, some things repell us and make us flee and many things fall somewhere inbetween... cataloguing them as good and evil or bad, etc is fairly arbitrary and totally subjective... example many like beer, but few liked it when they first tasted it.
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  Moving on...

  by Zico in

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  i've been reading this board regularly since it was introduced to me in march of this year.

  at first, i was finding it pretty difficult coming to terms with the fact that my whole life had been a lie, but really, i suppose there's not much point in worrying about this now, what's done is done, and i'm still easily young enough to make a life in 'the world' despite a slow start.

  the problem is that i have no idea how to go about.

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  knowledge is power, there is no necessity of letting them know what you know
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  Do we need to experience the bad to know the good??

  by lowden in

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  inspired by a few posts from the 'suffering' thread, i pose the above question.. is it really necessary to experience or even know of evil deeds in order to appreciate good, benevolence, peace.. certain peoples and indigenous tribes have lived in peace and probably still do with little, if any, disturbance and malevolence within their communities.

  they don't need evil to appreciate good, surely.. one current headline story over here in britain is of a 7yr old girl murdered, shot in the back by a drug dealer because she'd seen his face.

  he's just got 40yrs in jail.

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  see my post in suffering...as to good and evil...

  however consider, if you could ONLY experience pain after you experienced pleasure and pleasure only after you have experienced pain, when could you actually experience either?

  there is a null state of experiences, nothingness and pain and pleasure are not opposites from this state, but two very different experiences that need have no connection to each other.

  its like saying you have to experience chocolate to experience vanilla
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  Why does god allow suffering?

  by GBSJG in

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  i always had trouble with answering that question.

  if there is a god why is there so much suffering?

  so i looked up the offical explanation of the wts in the bible teach book chapter 11 paragraph 12 says: let us consider an illustration.

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  good and evil are arbitrary and the story of Adam and Eve is about this.... many assume the TREE has to do with KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, as if Adam and Eve had no such knowledge prior...but its not about KNOWLEDGE but about the ABILITY to determine the DIVIDING LINE between good and evil and who has the RIGHT to do so.... and as an unbeliever, I see this as a WARNING to anyone outside those claiming to speak for God... those who wrote the story were telling everyone everywhere that THEY had the sole right to draw the line between good and evil, and that democracy was of the serpent... now what draws that line is not as easy to see...but simple to explain--- its whatever you imagine as THE IDEAL WORLD... what ever helps you make your life closer to that ideal is good what ever harms your attempts to get there is evil.

  in the REAL world, suffering need not be seen as good nor evil, but just part of HOW reality actually happens... its only when you compare this to your IDEAL world where suffering NEVER happens that suffering can be labelled as EVIL.
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  Why does the trinity matter... or not?

  by drew sagan in

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  here's what i'm putting out there.

  every jw has a list of teachings that they know 'prove' they are the only true religion.

  while they turn to many things in order to prove their points, i have noticed a special tendancy to turn to just a few things in the end.

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  personally I think both sides make a big deal out of nothing.

  if a believer wishes to go by the bible alone, he should just accept what it says no more no less... the bible never teaches a trinity and never does not exactly teach one either, so it should be left at that... this co-ercions to force people into one camp or the other is just human ignorance at work.

  if Jesus cared about it as much as many seem to think, he should have said something more straight forwards about its importance... that he did not, indicates that he really did not care about it as an issue and neither should those who follow after him.

  when I left JWs, I pondered if not them, then who? I came to see that no one is the best answer... its all ignorant people worrying about stupid things rather than focusing on what even Jesus said was important--- loving God, your neighbor and your enemy and working on removing the beams from your own eyes instead of the splinters in everyone elses....

  if your eye offends you, but you what you just read, you know what to do (^_^)